Oliver Thewalt

    Oliver Thewalt

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    Conscious, Computation and Understanding in theoretical physics

    Consciousness, Computation
    and Understanding in
    Theoretical Physics

    To: Professor Oliver Thewalt

    Maziar Esfahanian

    1. Philosophical choices

    Hidden unconscious or conscious philosophical choices have
    one of the most important roles in route of science, since we
    started to understanding universe and ourselves.

    However, these philosophical choices usually are not determining
    directly in the scientific papers.

    About Theoretical Physics some people prefer logical positivism,
    some other functionalism or instrumentalism or… and sometimes
    people using the combination of them.
    In my opinion behind each of these philosophical choices there
    were some pragmatic motivations that usually people forgot them
    during their research age. For instance, when physicists used the
    term of wave and particle in Quantum physics, actually they used
    some metaphorical concepts to describing some phenomena with
    some more familiar concepts to our minds and with minimum
    ontological assumptions. In fact, all of these concepts have root in
    our common cognitive abilities to understanding new things by
    assigning some older things which are more familiar to our mind.
    Even in mathematical abstraction the big part of our activities are
    related to our cognitive abilities. For instance, mathematicians are
    interested to classification of mathematical structures.
    One of the reasons is that our brain can memorize and analyzing
    things better with classifying them. Finding the more fundamental
    similarities and differences helps us to understanding things
    I think, forgetting the motivations of our philosophical choices can
    confused us about the meaning of understanding in science and
    push us so far from our initial goal in science. Let me quote from
    you [1]:
    “We are far beyond the physics the e+e- Collider can handle, while
    most work remains unpublished because it is unpaid!
    A circular electron positron Collider is not appropriate in order to
    handle a Quantum Threshold in a region of neutrality.
    Our mind is able to develop the theory by observing nature,
    performing an experimental setup by a measurement.”
    We spent lots of money to research about particle physics and
    detecting the new particles. However, we could spend a little
    money in other ways if we had other philosophical choice or at
    least didn’t forget the motivations of our philosophical choices.
    Sure, we need these Colliders, but also for understanding the
    universe and ourselves as a main goal of Theoretical physics we
    need to review our knowledge about our Mind and the meaning of
    Consciousness. After a long time, since the Quantum Physics
    started to developing, yet we have not a strong interpretation for
    this theory than can fill the conceptual gaps up and remove the
    ambiguities of fundamental concepts of this theory. For instance,
    when physicists talk about quantum states, it is not clear that what
    they are talking about, precisely. However, most of physicists
    accepted the Copenhagen Interpretation and go on without any
    doubt and review. In my opinion the root of this problem again
    come back to the philosophical choice. A combination of
    reductionism and pragmatism with support of mathematical based
    proofs is not enough to research about the Truth. I think we
    should review our knowledge about Consciousness at first and
    figure out how is the interaction of mind and matter.
    In this way even maybe we should think about our definitions
    about Mind, Matter and reality itself.

    Some scientists tried to describe Consciousness as a product of
    brain activities in Neural networks framework. In consequence of
    a rigid philosophical choice, these types of scientists are trapped
    to Determinism. Usually, Neurologist don’t know about Quantum
    Physics and its consequences about indeterminism and their
    desire to reduce our mind to the Neurons activities don’t let them
    to look at the castle that they made. Neurons are not in quantum
    scale and they are classical objects and if one just reduces our
    minds to the neurons activities so we have no Free Will and it
    means these Neurologists are doing what they should did
    according the written book of universe nothing more.
    Few scientists, such as Roger Penrose [2] tried to point out this
    fact and even Penrose introduced a new Consciousness Theory
    which is based on a quantum scales entities in our brains that are
    called Microtubules. There are some new theories about
    Consciousness more or less based on Penrose idea that
    generally known as Quantum Consciousness theories.
    Here, again we can see only few people among physicists and
    cognitive scientists paid enough attention to these theories.
    It is just an example that I talked about to describe recent
    situation of science as I understand.

    Consciousness is not awareness or intelligence, Consciousness
    related to our “I”, our first person experience about reality and our

    I think there is a strong correlation between the meaning of
    Consciousness and interpretation of Quantum Theory and the
    meaning of reality. I am not a fan of Quantum Consciousness
    Theory but I think at least this theory broke the taboo of speaking
    about Non-Neuronal base theories of Consciousness.
    My temporary philosophical choice as a researcher (or student) is
    something like Mathematical Instrumentalism.

    I think with this choice we can describe Consciousness in a
    mathematical framework that is safe enough to prevent
    ambiguities and also open enough to escape from trap of hidden
    or obvious materialistic assumptions.

    For instance of such a monistic non-materialistic theory, I want to
    point out the Conscious Agent Theory of Donald Hoffman [3].
    In Conscious Agent Theory, Hoffman tried to figure out how
    Consciousness is fundamental. It is about genuineness of
    Consciousness. He uses a metaphor from Computer
    Science to describe the universes and Consciousness in a
    unique framework with minimum of ontological assumptions

    2. Computation
    One of the bold effects of Reductionism on the theoretical
    Physics and Cognitive sciences is that some people think that
    everything is about computations. However, since Godel proved
    Gödel's incompleteness theorems, we know that for each
    arbitrary set of mathematical axioms there are some Undecidable
    statements that we can’t make a decision about their logical
    value. The stronger result proved by Alan Turing is a fact that in
    German Language its name was Entscheidungsproblem[4] and
    according what Alan proved there isn’t a general solution for
    Entscheidungsproblem and it means that even we can’t decide
    a given statement is decideable or not[4].
    In addition, most of scientists just thinking about Computation in a
    classical way, but we know that, there is a stronger kind of
    Computation that its name is Quantum Computation.
    At least, with a reductionist’s position one can try to models and
    understanding things with reduce them to Quantum Computations
    instead of classical one in Cognitive sciences.
    I think, in order to have a better understanding first of all we
    should change our point of view about meaning of some accepted
    concepts like space, Space-time and review some of our
    negative definitions like the concept of “chance” and its family

    My suggestion is to reconstruct these concepts in a special
    mathematical framework that is strong enough to figure out what
    we understood from Quantum Theory about reality and universe
    and the meaning of space, position(super position) and … .
    Also this special mathematical framework should be flexible
    enough to keep our classical tools of computation and beside of
    our new understanding indeterminism. This mathematical
    framework is called Topos Theory.

    I don’t want to talk what is the Topos theory here and how it may
    help. I just tried to show the necessity of a review to our
    understanding about Computation, fundamental concepts of
    Quantum Theory and open a new door toward study of
    Consciousness. This door is Topos Theory. Changing our point of
    view about space in this framework that has own internal non
    Boolean logic and is flexible enough to switch from one
    philosophical choice to another when we arrive to a deadlock.

    [1]. http://hixgrid.de/groups/profile/67436/theoretical-physics-for-new-energy-it-energy-cluster
    [2].Stuart Hameroff and Roger Penrose, Consciousness in Universe:A
    review of the Orch OR theory, 2013
    [3].Donald D.Hoffman and Chetan Parakash, Objects of Consciousness,
    [4].A.M Turing, On Computable Numbers with application to the
    Entscheidungproblem, 1936


    Maziar Esfahanian
    PhD student,Pure Mathematics,Università degli Studi di Torino - Dipartimento di Matematica "Giuseppe Peano"

    As you have pointed it out correctly, "topos theory" is what we are talking about in quantum physics: when we observe seeminlgy 2 or more particles or quantum states connected on a "distance" of many light years or more, locality and non-locality is what we are talking about (see also Violation of Bell's inequliaties), these are seemingly states at a long distance, but in an interpretation as speed of light as a photonic quantum threshold (no tranport through space) we are talking about dimensional topological transitions in a phase transition (in short) .. of ghost virtuals at horizons..... and as you have pointed it out correctly, this is very similar ot the "same" fundamental principle in "biology" concerning "neurons", because it is not decisive to conceptualize neurons but the phase transition within (as an energy matter transition).

    Exactly by this transition within locality and non-locality, space is spanned and starts to unfold in an n-fractal topological transition.

    Sincerely Yours

    Professor Oliver Thewalt